Sounds pretty good to me, if I had scored that percentage at school I would not have been asked to leave, but then I always thought you knew what you were talking about.
Now I could get really angry with you, I have the hearing of someone of maybe half my age, I have a system that is so good that you would not belief it. If you believe that cables make any difference at all then you are the 'deaf/dumb/blind' one because they do not and if you think otherwise then you are a deluded silly old fool. Now look back over the postings and you may notice that I was the one who got told to f**k off, and if you carry on talking this drivel then I will tell you to f**k off. This whole talk about cables is DRIVEL, a 'non starter'. complete nonsense, marketing bullshit. Would you like me to be more specific then I will, anyone believing this complete nonsense is a mug to themselves, anyone spending more than £10 on any cable is being taken for a ride, the cable scam is one of the biggest scams in life and if you fall for it then you have been scammed big time, for f**k's sake wake up to reality.
John...
says it all really...oh and how come Fred follows him like a puppy dog, EVERWHERE theres 'cable talk'
Now I could get really angry with you, I have the hearing of someone of maybe half my age, I have a system that is so good that you would not belief it. If you believe that cables make any difference at all then you are the 'deaf/dumb/blind' one because they do not and if you think otherwise then you are a deluded silly old fool. Now look back over the postings and you may notice that I was the one who got told to f**k off, and if you carry on talking this drivel then I will tell you to f**k off. This whole talk about cables is DRIVEL, a 'non starter'. complete nonsense, marketing bullshit. Would you like me to be more specific then I will, anyone believing this complete nonsense is a mug to themselves, anyone spending more than £10 on any cable is being taken for a ride, the cable scam is one of the biggest scams in life and if you fall for it then you have been scammed big time, for f**k's sake wake up to reality.
John...
says it all really...oh and how come Fred follows him like a puppy dog, EVERWHERE theres 'cable talk'
Come on mate this is not going to become another slanging match, however I do notice a psychological pattern emerging in the cable wars, just an observation you understand.
First the technically qualified get a beating for saying something that is common sense, then the cable guru's (CG) combat this with the continual drone of 'just listen', 'try it' then after many full circles the CG will either leave the discussion or make some derogatory remark in an attempt to 'degrade' the techie from the human race. I have seen this pattern on other sites and forums and it is amazingly consistent.
Now let's wake up to reality, it is the techies, the engineers, the scientists etc. who actually made hi fi possible in the first place, can you really accuse them of being Luddites, or of a 'closed mindset', they are the very ones who brought you the technology, it is a weird animal the human race, a few bring so much pleasure to so many, then the many accuse the few of being idiots, Luddites or whatever. Exactly the same situation has occurred with mobile phones, whilst everyone rushes out to get one they then gang up on the phone companies about the mast sites, sorry but if it were not for everyone wanting one we would not need the sites. Again the understanding of fundamental physics is at an all time low.
I will say this only one more time, the physical laws of the universe are simply that, laws, they are unchangeable whatever your personal beliefs, or what a salesman says. I'm sorry if this comes across as harsh or unpleasant but that is the way it is, I did not make up the laws or the physics, I, you, or a company cannot change the laws. If one believes something that is physically not possible, then it is only reasonable to question one's own thinking, hard one to stomach I know, but it has to be true because no other explanation exists.
Sorry guys I will say it again opinion is opinion it is not science or physics, it is a different animal, cable discussions should never be opinion they should be facts like my 47" TV is larger than a 42" TV, fact, no dispute, simply measure it, but that seems to go out of the window when it comes to cables, now we have to get personal, we stop any real comparisons, we start blaming each other of being Luddites, or Faschist, Dr Evil or Mr Angry, somehow when it comes to cables all science disappears and opinion takes over.
Now when it comes to amplifier specs that is quite another thing, many amps do measure well and yet get bad reviews and believe it or not I do understand why, therein lies the problem, note I often use the word 'understand' that is not the same as 'have blind faith in', please lets take Hi Fi away from the voodoo, the blind faith and get it back into the science it always was, certainly from the cylinder player up though the microgroove vinyl and then to the CD Hi Fi was always science, then something strange happened, some 'snake oil vendors' got in on the game. I think 'monster cable' was one of the first, now they did address an issue that many did not realise but to extend that thinking to every other cable is simply nonsense.
Looks like all reasonably made equipment can sound the same even if it's a fraction of the price, uses crap cables and crap supports. Abx
And yet YOU Fred managed to distinguish between speaker cables??
Im shocked
The test was to see who could distinguish the better SOUNDING system.
Theres so many flaws with that I really dont know where to begin.............
"best sounding one" ~ HAHAHA....genius
I think the outcome in that test was predictable when the components most critical to the sound, the speakers, weren't swapped. I'm not saying it was an especially good test, just thought it was interesting. It gives hope to those of us that can't afford the esoteric. (like me)
Interesting link and as so often no real winners or losers, that is the way it seems to be with Hi Fi so mathematically then the statistical evidence shows really no difference, right I will go along with that, it is perfectly feasible that 90% of systems are really no different from each other, after all, if all in the test are class 'B' amps and reflex speakers then what is there to compare. The same philosophy I would say holds good for cables but the similar are nearer 99%, great to see some statistical evidence that most Hi Fi systems are really the same. I rather thought that, having visited the Heathrow show last year and heard nothing outstanding despite all the exotic turntables and cables, singe ended triode valve amps etc. I actually left thinking where is the industry going I have heard nothing better than thirty years ago. I think that is where the exotic end of Hi Fi has gone - nowhere, whereas in that same thirty years the agerage music system has advanced by leaps and bounds, to the point that a Tesco £100 music system is often as good as the esoteric it is trying to catch up with.
Very interesting link, I can't comment on any of the equipment in the test because I have not heard any of it except the ATC speakers which are pretty good.
But I must agree that a lot of HiFi sounds very similar, but I suspect that may be deliberate, most people visiting a HiFi shop expect to hear a certain type of sound ie bold, dynamic, exciting, something that really catches the attention so some manufacturers "voice" the equipment to try and stand out from the crowd at the expense of natural reproduction , the trouble is if too many manufacturers do this a lot of systems start to sound the same especially if they share the same technology which 90% do.
The trick is to choose equipment from the other 10%.
Very interesting link, I can't comment on any of the equipment in the test because I have not heard any of it except the ATC speakers which are pretty good.
But I must agree that a lot of HiFi sounds very similar, but I suspect that may be deliberate, most people visiting a HiFi shop expect to hear a certain type of sound ie bold, dynamic, exciting, something that really catches the attention so some manufacturers "voice" the equipment to try and stand out from the crowd at the expense of natural reproduction , the trouble is if too many manufacturers do this a lot of systems start to sound the same especially if they share the same technology which 90% do.
The trick is to choose equipment from the other 10%.
Electro.
I'm not convinced, given the constraints of a reasonably flat frequency response, that it's possible to "voice" anything apart from a loudspeaker. I think most manufacturers are aiming for accuracy rather than an impact in the showroom.
You have obviously never heard any of the older Naim equipment , if anything was "voiced" that was ! but recently Naim seems to have become less quirky.
I think a lot of amplifiers especially are reflections of the designer's character only second to speakers.
I completely agree with that Electro. I believe there is a market for it though as everyones different. Some people might like an amp that sounds 'brighter' than it should or whatever the characteristic would be.
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