I think Hans has a point John. As we concluded with our own, not thoroughly scientific cable test, some people can hear differences in cables better than others. Where you, Pluto and myself couldn't hear a difference, Wotslice could, though he admitted it wasn't much of a difference.
If you're happy with your cables Hans, that's great. Personally, I'm happy to hear about people's experiments with cables. I'm certainly not convinced that they're the most important part of any system, but I am prepared to believe that they should be more important to some people than to others.
Hello All,personally i think that if your equipment is top-notch,then no matter what the cable is,high end or low end.the manufacturers of the equipment have taken this into consideration,to produce the best sound possible from their repective products,but thats only my opinion........Dave
Jeremy, by buying your new, relatively modestly priced interconnects,and being staggeringly impressed by them, you have obviously come to realise what a total con the van den hul's and Kimber's of this world are!. It must be said that your system is obviously top notch,so nothing lacking there, as I have always said, spend the money on equipment, not on a piece of wire.
Thanks all, however I do not understand 'true blues' but it sounds good and a little complementary so I will stop there.
Total agreement with Mick Cox, equipment is what one will hear, leads may make a slight of difference but not much.
To Hans, sorry if I came across a bit aggressive, I did realise that you are not from this country but I do get pedantic about language and particularly dislike shorthand SMS and TXT messages when there is no need for them, I guess you, like me are in front of a complete keyboard with a shiftkey so upper case is no problem and real words are no problem, I don't think many reply to AVreview on a mobile keypad.
But now for something new, a new venture in life, a new direction and that is art, rather like Hi Fi but even more expensive, after all art is 'in the eye of the behoulder', just as Hi Fi appears to be.
Anyway after buying several 'oil on canvas' works, i tried to do an abstract or four, please take a look at www.fisherflats.com on the home page you will see a link to both.
Where you, Pluto and myself couldn't hear a difference, Wotslice could, though he admitted it wasn't much of a difference.
Dave - don't forget that the test we ran was as much about memory as anything else. A proper ABX instant switch would have been far more revealing of the true nature of the difference between the samples under test which, with the exception of the real cheapie, were very similar. So similar, in fact, that I feel that my understanding of the nature of cables is complete and accurate.
Quite simply there is nothing more to it, in most cases, than the small differences in level and frequency response caused by the L, C & R characteristics of the cable operating in conjunction with the source and destination impedance.
Those who believe that there is more to cable than that (occasional RF-related issues apart) are sadly deluded.
In all fairness I think wotslice's take at the cable meeting could be chance, I'm not out to do the guy down but maybe he just guessed right, personally I don't think there was any difference between Pluto's Maplin cables and the £500 set. I'm sure that in a true ABX test the results would not be so 'clear cut'. As for RF-related issues they are more down to bad design on the part of the equipment than anything to do with cables, unfortunately RF issues are often attributed to cables rather than the equipment itself and often the cause of perceived differences.
Unfortunately many aspects of Hi Fi results get attributed to the wrong reason, as Mike says get the right equipment and you may get the right result.
Equally get the wrong equipment and you may spend years messing around with cables thinking that you will get it right, sorry 'not likely', if your units are properly designed and not susceptible to RF then 99% of leads will all sound identical, sorry to knock you cable fanatics but that is the truth, sorry to knock your deeply held beliefs but the truth is hard to accept and hard to swallow but that does not make them any less true.
John - you are quite correct insofar as RF problems are concerned. If equipment is prone to such problems it is because of its design or construction. A cable in such a case is merely a palliative yet it may well get the credit for making the sound a whole lot better for reasons of which the listener may be blissfully ignorant.
Yea quite right, I do know my subject, and I do know that ignorance is bliss but that does not make it true, truth is often not bliss, truth is often hard to believe or even to hear, it is often discounted as impossible, but discounting it does not make it 'go away' or become less truthful.
Difficult subject here, but take a look at the lighter side of life, say art, take a look at some paintings I have acquired recently www.fisherflats.com from the home page go-to art, these are the purchased items, or go-to abstract and these are my own creations, or just brows the rest of the site and see my life laid out for all.
Do I hear a little 'disbeliefe' here, sorry what are you saying, please do take a look at the website, it is my life, no bull, and thanks for sending the leads, not received yet but I'm sure they will be here soon.
Now the best way to win the lottery is not to do it, statistically that will give you a better chance. If you still feel compelled then at least use numbers that are not in the calendar as so many use these, birthdays, anniversaries etc.
errrrr ...... no. I think you have the dilemma here not me.
With regards to the test - If you have issues with the way the test was carried or with the Dave's write up then why didn't you raise these at the time rather than putting a downer on it now? You are clutching at straws if you think I had a lucky guessing day, I would've expected a more erudite response from you.
Hello All,John,"the best way to win the lottery is not to do it??"and use numbers that are not in the calender,would binary No,s suffice or how about Roman numerals.I know you,re an electronic wizard but now youre an aspiring artist as well,is there no end to your talents my friend,well off to do the lottery now..........take care all.........Mystic Mellor
Sorry wotslice, it was a hypothetical answer, no offence meant, but the test came down to two cables, you got them the right way round, I got them the wrong way, I wonder just how right was your perception.
Are we talking, maybe slightly different or are we talking 'chalk and cheese' this was never discussed at the meeting!
Anyway received your cable today, expect to get Pluto's this weekend so i can post the results soon.
Faie enough John, but if you think I was completely guessing each, I wasn't and as your are aware, I asked for cable A to be replayed most times and this is where I think we are agreed - the memory issue - but at the end of the day, my "perception" if that's what you want to call it, was better than yours or to look at it another way the answers we gave were either right or wrong, no "just" about it.
