Hi Dave,

I remember the Vauxhall Ventura (?). That was a very American-style model with a big engine.

Acceleration was dramatic and handled pretty nimbly too.... (Speaking from experience of a brief test drive!)

Best regards,

Bill.

Hello All ,yes thats the name of the Vauxhall,hated the bloody thing,the Granada was ok but the Impala was out of this world as far as pulling the other sex was concerned,but that was in the past,am waiting in tonight for this guy from Stoke who,s coming to audition the Krells,he,s a collector of Krell equipment[strange guy]so with a bit of luck i should be getting the Sugs earlier than anticipated.Still having problems with the computer,when i change posts it goes off,could you inform Wotslice that a Hurricane blower is a tube 100mm long with a ball at one end and a brush at the other,you squeeze the ball and as blast of air clears whatever fluff dirt is on your equipment,think that guy is here.............Take Care Mate...........Dave

Thanks for the info Dave.

BTW  my first car was a 1972 gold Avenger -  well it was better than a standard escort/cortina (well I thought so .....)

Regards

Carl Kirby wrote (see)

After many years of upgrading tweaking.
The audio set up i now have i thought was what i was looking for.
Near enough perfect for my ears.
Well until i read an article on damaging compact discs with fridge magnets.
Tried this and it improved sound.
thought about this revelation and thought of optical transport did this and was amazed at the result.
Isotec rejuvenation disc covers this.

electrohead wrote (see)

Carl,

I have tried the isotek rejuvenation disc in part , it is a disc that was free with hifi choice containing 30 minutes or so of the isotek disc and some other tests , i can't say that there was a large improvement after use or indeed much difference at all but i will not dismiss it out of hand.

I have found it difficult to evaluate such products because as soon as you use them you start over analysing the music instead of just listening and enjoying it, so things tend to sound different because of the excessive concentration.

 The best test i have found so far for all tweaking products is the shelf test ,  you put all the solutions, gadgets , discs, on a shelf near your system  for an extended period of time , the ones that you keep using tend to be the ones that work , the products gathering dust should be filed in the bin.

Since this thread is about demaging discs i will try your tip to use magnates , the rubber sheet you mention sounds the easiest method and at 3 quid it's worth a try !

Carl you mention your hifi sounded good at the shop and bland at home, i would look at the room acoustics as a possible culprit , you may need some treatment in your room .

Hi all,

Electro, update on keeping tweaking articles on shelf, ! have kept the disc and still use, and the magnetic mat on CD's is still giving me the same outcome, - great sounds.   ........Carl

Pluto wrote (see)

Bill Colborne wrote (see)

Anyone heard of a chap named Rod Elliot ?

http://sound.westhost.com/madashell.htm

Rod is a hero of mine. He became well known as Snake Oil Exposer extraordinaire...

One of the Important things about Rod is that rather than sit in an ivory tower and rubbish the Electronics Market in a purely theoretical manner....Rod obtains the offending item, tests it to within an inch of it's life in the Lab, then reports back to us interested parties...

I have a lot of time for Mr Elliot and he has some useful designs (mainly op-amp based) and the PCBs to go with them. He has worthwhile views on many facets of audio electronics. One of his best is the treatise on the most insidious of all the lies in audio, burn-in.

I read the BURN IN article with interest. Ill quote what he came up with in the end ~

"At the end of the "treatment" the cable will still exhibit exactly the same resistance, capacitance and inductance as before - so what has changed? And the answer is .... nothing."

Now I have theories on the subject but Im not going to get into it. But the crux is this, hes measuring the 'wrong things' (indeed I dont believe theres a possibly way of actually measuring my theory as to why cables DO in fact 'burn in', and until we can its forever going to be a mute point)

Rik

Welcome back John.... 

Hold on a minute.....does this mean your new account resets you to "Newbie" status ?

You should complain to the MC about your loss of "no claims discount"

All the best..................................Bill.

John Fisher 4 wrote (see)

So what is your theory???

Yes Dave I do seem to be a Newbie again, I've lost my 1000 postings status, I've lost my profile, picture, and background but at least I'm back on.

Thanks for the concern Bill...

Rik, I'm not out to 'ridicule' you and if you really feel that a new technique could collate listening to cables then then I'm all for it!!! Remember my whole background is measurement.

Unfortunately I'm not only a newbie, I've lost the direct e-mail route, but you are more than welcome to mail me directly 'john.fisher40@tesco.net' then no one else would ridicule you and I would have a chance to understand your theory.

Dave I would be great to 'rewind' the past week, and simply be 'John Fisher' again, not 4, with the profile, and the messages, and the article, and the review, just like 'the good old days'.

John... 

John,

Welcome back glad everything is sorted out, it's been too quiet without you !

Just taking up on Rik's point about not measuring the right things. Do different frequencies travel at different speeds through a cable when conducting complex music signals down a cable ? if so would some cable types be less prone to this than others .

 all the best Electro.

Rik H wrote (see)

Now I have theories on the subject but Im not going to get into it. But the crux is this, hes measuring the 'wrong things' (indeed I dont believe theres a possibly way of actually measuring my theory as to why cables DO in fact 'burn in', and until we can its forever going to be a mute point)

Rik

Hi John,

Glad you're back...been missing your input.

Fred Scuttle wrote (see)

Rik H wrote (see)

Now I have theories on the subject but Im not going to get into it. But the crux is this, hes measuring the 'wrong things' (indeed I dont believe theres a possibly way of actually measuring my theory as to why cables DO in fact 'burn in', and until we can its forever going to be a mute point)

Rik

It's very easy. It's your ears that "burn in" as they become accustomed to the sound. Unfortunately imaginary effects can't yet be measured but there is a helmet that can produce a kind of religious experience, so who knows what might happen in the future......?

John Fisher 4 wrote (see)

Yes Dave I do seem to be a Newbie again, I've lost my 1000 postings status, I've lost my profile, picture, and background but at least I'm back on.

Thanks for the concern Bill...

Rik, I'm not out to 'ridicule' you and if you really feel that a new technique could collate listening to cables then then I'm all for it!!! Remember my whole background is measurement.

Unfortunately I'm not only a newbie, I've lost the direct e-mail route, but you are more than welcome to mail me directly 'john.fisher40@tesco.net' then no one else would ridicule you and I would have a chance to understand your theory.

Dave I would be great to 'rewind' the past week, and simply be 'John Fisher' again, not 4, with the profile, and the messages, and the article, and the review, just like 'the good old days'.

John... 

I dont understand how you lost the lot. I thought you were just on 'hold' as it were!

I apologise if that was anything to do with out 'banter', I certainly didnt think youd lose anything from it!

And im sorry John  but to be fair my theories are just that, theories. They dont mean anything (yet ). I dare say you are intrigued and what electro said there isnt entirely off the mark! (not exactly as theres a more to it than that and my theory goes down a slightly different avenue, but im sure it may give you food for thought )

Rik H wrote (see)

 And what about my eyes? Do they burn in as well?

Why thanks Tamara, so many to reply to so I will take all in order:

Dave 'I should be able to post as yourself again', great but how???

Electro, there seems no evidence that different frequencies travel at different speeds and even if they did then 'so what' some particularly fast cables manage something like 0.8 the speed of light whilst most manage 0.6 the speed of light. So what relevance is that to audio???

I believe effects like that do happen in complex filters but not in a simple cable, I think the term is 'group delay', this may be relevant to a FM IF filter but not to a cable. Unfortunately we are bamboozled with techno mambo jumble and some claims do sound plausible, but that is all.

What sounds plausible and what is, are two very different reasons. Give me a couple of hours and I could fill your head with techno mambo jumble and many reasons why cables sound different, an in depth essay into acoustic isolation etc. but I won't because I do not believe any of it.

What I say on this site is simply what I believe, the same as us all, however I seem to believe the planet to be different from so many, I wonder why?

When my ex wife, with six A levels, including physics, suggested that a new kettle boiled water hotter than the old one, I really did start to doubt people's perception, and me getting chucked out of school at fifteen for being a bad influence on the class.

Sorry have just checked the thread and it is about demagnetising a non magnetic CD, need I say more, apparently standard copper cable has a small quantity of iron in it, so it could be magnatised, like about 0.01% is this the reason that it sounds so much better?

John... 

Fred Scuttle wrote (see)

Rik H wrote (see)

 And what about my eyes? Do they burn in as well?

Of course.

Hi All,

 Welcome back John, hope you are ok and the spell off site did not send you up walll ? 

Rik, hopefully yourself and john, will bury the hatchet, and give each other a chance to get to know the real person behind the posts, after all we have got the same love of hifi.

Sad day to see that our lovable rouge, Gerald has had his backside slapt ! hopfully Dave (O) will reconcider and give him a chance to redeem himself ?   ....Carl.