"I guess it will just have to wait for the blind test".

The outcome is a foregone conclusion.

Fred, my partner Linda has no interest whatsoever in the HI FI game, she runs a mile whenever I switch it on, but i do trust her ears, they are phenomenal, she can hear a pin drop, she has to have a ear for music because of the instruments she plays.

All the best Mick.

"Fred, my partner Linda has no interest whatsoever in the HI FI game, she runs a mile whenever I switch it on, but i do trust her ears, they are phenomenal, she can hear a pin drop, she has to have a ear for music because of the instruments she plays."

Put the old one back and see if she notices.

Absolutely right Fred! There is absolutely no point in spending more money if you don't notice any worthwhile positive difference (or indeed any difference at all).

"The outcome is a foregone conclusion."

I have got to say that this is my concern regarding the cable test, the foregone conclusion is that this debate will continue to smoulder on. If the result of the test is that there is agreement amongst the attendees that there is an audible and positive difference or that indeed spending hard earned money on allegedly superior cables is a criminal waste of cash, the only people converted in either direction will be those actually there at the test.  

To all, did what Fred sugested, and she noticed right away that it was the cheap cable, changed back to the tacima and she was happy again, you must bear in mind that the tacima was only thirty five quid.

All the best Mick.

I must add from above this is not my opinion, I myself cannot hear any difference between the to cables apart from a slight increase in base with the tacima, though I am still suffering slightly with my ears.

All the best Mick.

"To all, did what Fred sugested, and she noticed right away that it was the cheap cable, changed back to the tacima and she was happy again, you must bear in mind that the tacima was only thirty five quid."

Can she tell me next weeks winning lottery numbers?

Yes here thy are  6 19 21 29 36 Fred I expect 10% of your winnings.

All the best Mick.

Fred it's Wednesday, lotto day, get your 10% commission handy.

All the best Mick.

Fred, sorry about the lotto, still, two numbers are better than none.

cheers Mick.

Fred

You are a complete and utter pedant. End of.

Fred, in case people do not have a dictionary ped(a)nt, quote (a person who insists on strict adherence to formal rules or literal meaning at the expense of a wider view. (2) a person who rates academic learning or technical knowledge above everything.(3) a person who is obsessed by a theory; a doctrinaire). Well surely is that not what it is all about, dear me what must they be thinking!.

All the best Mick.

David

Mains leads don't change the sound of a hi-fi. End of.

Any "differences" in the sound can be attributed to suggestability, ignorance of basic electronics and the placebo effect.

Basically if you listen for a difference expecting to hear one you will hear one.

Fred

 I can hear a difference with mains cables, interconnects and speaker cables. It is not a placebo connect. You're just weird.

Hamilton is right.

 Slawts

Slawts - when we have the blind cable test I'm sure that you will have an ample opportunity to demonstrate your ability.

In the meantime, if you really do have such a gift you could seriously exploit it. If you can consistently pass any test designed to weed out false claims, you have the means to acquire serious wealth. For a start, there is an entire industry that could use YOU as absolute proof that its products really have a purpose and that alone could be the source of significant income for you. But, more important, you could be the catalyst that dispels all doubt that the cable industry really does have something to offer. All you would have to do is pass a few listening tests to indicate when, and if, a cable swap took place. Simple.

And that's before we start considering the $1M prize that's available for someone of your professed ability. You can't lose.

Slawts

With your comment about mains leads you illustrate perfectly the power of suggestability and the placebo effect. Learn about electronics and let the new knowledge you amass free your mind from such delusion.

BTW I wasn't talking about speaker leads, if inadequate (too thin conductors and too high resistance) they will undoubtably cause degradation which can easily be measured and sometimes heard. Two cables of equal resistance will, however, sound the same, cheap or otherwise. I'll even concede that it might just be possible to hear the difference between interconnects although I very much doubt it because the differences are unmeasurable with equipment far more sensitive than our ears and so far nobody has actually been able to do so when subjected to controlled conditions.

The entire "high end" cable industry is all about marketing, pretty colours, pseudoscience and hype.

I don't even need to mention dishonesty.

"Learn about electronics and let the new knowledge you amass free your mind from such delusion."

"I very much doubt it because the differences are unmeasurable with equipment far more sensitive than our ears and so far nobody has actually been able to do so when subjected to controlled conditions."

"The entire "high end" cable industry is all about marketing, pretty colours, pseudoscience and hype."

"Any "differences" in the sound can be attributed to suggestability, ignorance of basic electronics and the placebo effect."

"Fred, in case people do not have a dictionary ped(a)nt, quote  a person who rates academic learning or technical knowledge above everything."

I rest my case. Pedant.