Maybe I should start a company making cables and all the deluded people out there will purchase them from me at inflated prices, I will in my advertising tell them how much better it will make their hi fi sound and laugh all the way to the bank. Maybe I will also make oak cones and torlyte mountings for hi fi this should please the "GOLDEN EARED BRIGADE" and any nutters out there with more money than sense. John and Pluto amongst other are completely correct in what they say but those who don't agree will until the end of time say "oh no I can hear the difference" the same people use a green pen on their CD's what did they used to use on vinyl was it a black pen or a white pen or a silver pen, any idea what was used on magnetic tape your answers would be much appreciated. I do remember being told that a belt drive turntable sounded much better but it must not have a mechanical means of moving the belt to change speed, but the platter had to be removed and the belt moved by hand, their is a word for all this rubbish it is know in the trade as a load of B******s
Good god, i thought i was reading another thread on this forum then ? talk about day javou, all these conversations have been repeated and repeated and repeated on other threads, and now here we go again ? AND what is worst i am geting sucked in on the debate - AGAIN !!! oh no I'm outta here ? before it truly gets heated ?
Just had a thought tonight regarding mains cable. Now the national grid is about 137000 volts, that gets transformed down to a more reasonable voltage then distributed to ones local area and eventually transformed down to 240V, maybe a mile away from your own property, it then passes a couple of fuses and a meter before eventually arriving at the socket on the wall. Between that socket on the wall it now travels maybe 1.5M to your equipment. Please can anyone with the slightest grasp of common sense explain how they can hear a difference from this last 1.5 M?, forget what you have read, forget what the mags say, simply look at the probability that this last minute piece of cable could make a difference.
Now open your eyes to other cable claims, the TV aerial, again many metres outside the building but that last metre between the socket on the wall and the TV will make all the difference, I think not.
Look at jumper leads between the bass and treble units in many speakers, often only a few inches but again many claim to hear the difference between the supplied metal straps and some expensive cable, the cable is not expensive, no, only the retail price is. In reality there is probably no better conductor than a flat metal strap, check out the theory, sorry I forget, theory has no place in Hi Fi. No listen to what others say, read the mags, listen to the salesmen, in fact listen to all that could gain out of selling you some expensive jumpers.
So why are these cables being sold, there has to be a reason, well we are simply told to, the mags say so, the salesmen say so, the reasoned opinion says so, so it must be true.
Once we realize that it cannot improve our experience, that only leaves one reason, the one reason that we would rather not think about. We are being had over, 'hook line and sinker', we are being taken for many hundreds, not an easy reason to accept but true nevertheless.
I personally have been 'had over' for many thousands, and it does rather sharpen the mind to SCAMS.
Having studied cable claims for a few years now it is quite apparent that most are 99% a complete SCAM, but that is not unusual as many life insurance policies are a complete SCAM and many investments are a complete SCAM, in fact many so called 'oppourtunaties' are a SCAM.
Oh dear, I asked a simple question at the start of the forum and now I wished i didn't.
I was asking about some interconnects that is all, not about a debate about whether or not interconnects can influence the sound that was not the original question. It seems that some people have very black and white views on this issue, - again that was not my query.
My intention was not to have a debate on a public forum as that was not my intention otherwise i would have started a forum stating DO INTERCONNECTS INFLUENCE THE SOUND IN SOME SYSTEMS.
Sorry Steve if I misinterpreted you, but as I remember it your question was something like 'any opinions on this or that cable' well you have my answer, there cannot possibly be a difference, is that not an answer to your original question? Is there a difference that does not influence the sound, well what sort of difference do you expect, after all it is sound that we are talking about.
Maybe you have crossed threads with another, maybe that was 'will I appear more attractive' using this or that cable. You ask a question and then say 'My intention was not to have a debate' well what the hell do you expect, this is a debating site, simply by asking you are starting a debate.
So lets go back to square one - what was the question again.
I did not know this was a debating site -yes people have different perspectives thats fine, but I queried those who have tried the nordost cable comparing it specifically to a couple of other cables i mentioned - that was the original question.
Back to square one ? this should start with hello good friend how are you how may i help you !
We are all on this site to get info, on our hifi sounding the best that we can get it ! true by good calm debate, we can see others point of view and learn from the more experienced, by that i mean we all contribute to help others find that "hifi sound", some hear differences others dont, to the ones that dont good on you, i say, you have what you want ? for others that still hear subtle differences, ask away, there are more out there that are still looking for "that sound", yes John we should let others be aware of the rip off via these cables and also advise them that there is a line to be drawn, if you cannot find "the sound", after trying (three different resonably priced cables), you should consider changing your set up these will probably give you the sound your after, and save a lot of cash in the process.????
So is that not starting a debate, you queried those who have tried... is that not a debate...personally I believe anyone who can hear a difference between two different makes of IEC lead is either a magician or comes from another planet. We have some pretty sophisticated measurement systems here and they have never detected a difference, maybe your hearing should be heralded to science as a thousand times more sensitive than the most sophisticated of all measurement systems, maybe your hearing could design a new standard for audio recording.
I bet you are listening to bog standard 'monky coffin' speakers and class 'B' amplification, so please tell me how in the hell can you hear a mains lead.
Sorry Carl, I overlapped you there in another reply, if you cannot find the sound then look at the technology, look at the CD player, look at the amp and probably more important than all else look at the speakers. If anyone thinks they are going to find nirvana by spending hundreds on cables then they are seriously deluded, the whole cable business is a SCAM of major proportions and nothing more, if I do nothing else in life but expose the great cable scam for what it is then i will go peaceably. I will have done my part, I will have used my fifty years of experience and knowledge to teach the world.
As it is the start of a new month, would it not be a good idea to do a poll of members to actually see how many can / cannot hear a difference in interconnects and speaker cables, and at the end of the month add these figures to see what the outcome is ???? .........Carl.?
I already know your perspective and that is fine, but John I wanted to know those who have tried nordost compared to a couple other interconnects i mentioned that is all.
Thanks carl, yes thats right i just wanted some advice just like you said, Thanks.
I agree people have different perspectives and it is important to respect that others will have differing perspectives and doing it in good calm debate (hopefully without too much sarcasm or intended put downs - jokes are fine though) and staying with the issue (Qn regarding Nordost). Im not offened at all just a gentle reminder. I also agree there is a lot of ripping off out its often about the dollar, and some of the most expensive stuff may sound worse than the cheaper stuff too. In the end it is about enjoying the music.
I hope you all have a good weekend, I'm heading off to the snowy mountains (NE Victoria) for a lovely weekend with the folks, so i won't be online for a few days. From the land downunder.
would it not be a good idea to do a poll of members to actually see how many can / cannot hear a difference in interconnects and speaker cables
Carl - I'm afraid your poll is rather missing the point. Few will deny that, given the right combination of circumstances, cables can and do make a noticeable difference for perfectly understandable reasons that have been explained ad nauseam.
BUT if you read the common people's perception on the subject as promulgated by the press, industry, dealers etc. there is a widely held belief that the best cables possess properties beyond our present knowledge of physics that somehow make the cable more "musical" than its cheaper rivals, and therefore more desirable. The fact is that the "sound" of any cable can be emulated at negligible cost by starting with a really good cable (i.e. one with very low LCR) and adding LCR to taste. Naturally, the effect will vary from system to system because the loading varies from system to system, a fact that totally escapes those who ask for a sonic comparison between two different cables. As I have said before, using cables in lieu of tone controls is the act of a loony - ask Gerald !!
John, your assumption of my system is not accurate. My cd player was £1200, hopefully bringing it out of the "ok" sector you have pigeon holed it in. My amp is not class B, but class D, and my speakers are transmission line. Now, what was your point in making your assumption?
Oh and to answer someone elses point, my system does not have tone controls.
Hello John and all well John, do you think it is fair to stop RA laughing all the way to the bank and lots of other people doing the same. If enough of us got in contact with the power companies maybe they would use Oxygen free gold plated cables to distribute the power and in some places cryogenically treat the cable, what about the pylons and insulators they have an influence on the sound I am sure.
I have been told that oak cones made from oak trees that are under power lines do not sound the same as those from trees many miles from cables, I have done some listening and the difference is so noticable it is amazing, as torylite is a man made material it seems that no difference is discernable. Does anyone know how class e, f, g, h, i, j and k sound I am thinking of getting conned in the near future, maybe John and Pluto might know after all they are waiting to step up from Golden eared to Platinum eared listeners, maybe we should all go to their initiation and cheer them on. I look forward to some input on this thread. Gerald
Come on icehockyboy, dont be like that, this is only a friendly debate, ? by the way how much have you got to send that nice man in Nigeria, in order to receive said cash ??
Yes i agree, but poll will tell us how many are not getting the true sound they crave for, and if we can help them achieve this, through our experience, and knowlage, and maybe just maybe, save them cash, and a lot of wasted time ? is this not the reason people join this site.???
To icehocky - your system does sound like something I would like to aspire to, but read again, I was commenting on Steve's system. Watch out for the Nigerians, even more deceptive than cable vendors!!!
