 Boy - the cable debate still rages, really thought this was all settled at least 20 years ago - cables do make a difference.
Stephen - nobody is denying that. Have you actually read the last few postings by Electro and me? I'm merely saying that you need not spend more than a few quid on them.
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it saddens me to think there are so many people looking to make a dishonest living out of ordinary hard working people, surely there must be some honest people out there.
Caveat emptor
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Hi Pluto, I have read the last few postings - and also this forum, I agree that you dont have to pay much for cables to get a good result - but I have noticed a trend on a few forums in AV review in the last few months. The debate goes on and on (often in circles ) often repeating the same arguments in a slightly different manner, mainly the same people - which is okay. Have a good day. Steve.
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IMHO cables can and do make a difference. As I have stated before if you cant hear it well Im afriad your music system aint up to it. It is NOT about clarity detail soundstage -all that guff. Its about the music-only ther music-and cables well made and doing their job bring you closer to it Mo
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Hi mojo 2, Yes in the end the enjoyment of the music is whats important. I suppose the best cable is one that allows your system to bringing you closest to the live event (singer in the room feeling). Regards, Steve.
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Hi Steve I find myself sorry for these 'know-it-alls' who refuse to accept the blindingly obvious about cables.Sure the science can be dodgy but hey whats new- but these luddites try to disprove the adage 'you cannot fool all the people all the time'-cables ARE important as part of a system and they do make a difference.... or are we ALL a bunch of fools? Me? ~I dont think so. I wish they would just get over their disappointment at not having the ears/system to appreciate the differences/improvements good cables make and gives us all peace with their incessant negativity and occasional down right rudeness (i think one of them recently told a member who disagreed with him to 'fuck off'.what a prat eh? Mo
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Hi mojo 2, Sorry I wont comment, but what are your components and cables you use?. Regards, Steve.
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Hi Steve I find myself sorry for these 'know-it-alls' who refuse to accept the blindingly obvious about cables.Sure the science can be dodgy
As soon as the science becomes dodgy you know that you're being lied to. What are you looking for when you buy a speaker cable, for example? How can a mains lead affect an amplifier?
I wish they would just get over their disappointment at not having the ears/system to appreciate the differences/improvements good cables make
Again, which cables? I can very clearly hear the differences with different speaker cables so perhaps my ears aren't all that bad.
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Fred , It is exactly that confrontational attitude that perpetuates the situation , when somebody is told in no uncertain terms that they are a fool for believing that cables sound different or mains conditioners work they react in a seemingly arrogant manor it's only human, you would probably be the same in a similar situation.
I disagree. It's perpetuated by those that blindly accept or, like the hi-fi mags, even actively promote the ludicrous pseudoscientific claims of snakeoil merchant advertisers, especially certain cable companies. It saddens me greatly that my hobby is now in such a sad and sorry state.
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 Sorry guys but I am going to side with Fred on this one, having seen an ad for a 'better quality' TV aerial lead - that will sharpen the picture, improve the blacks, deepen the colours etc.', now that sort of nonsense must be a scam. A device that simply plugs in the mains and I quote 'realigns the flow of electrons' and therefore improves the sound, that must be a scam. Hi Fi does seem to be an industry that on one hand really does know what it is doing but also attracts many dubious 'accsessaries' that have no basis in truth. Back to the farming analogy, I'm sure we can all taste the difference between a top grade organic chicken from mass produced cheapo so maybe the techies would say 'nonsence' they are both chicken, same material etc. Maybe the differences are small and some may prefer the cheapo, but there are differences and food analysis does show them up, but compare two cables that are both say 1.5mm copper of the same purity and then to claim that one with a simple twist is not as good is the one with a complicated braid must by definition also be nonsense. When it comes to rudeness so far I have been labeled, a Luddite, Mr Angry and Dr Evil so take the comment audiofool in the spirit intended... John...
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Hi John, I agree there are scams out there -but not everything related to cables are a scams. In the end I suppose i let my ears and eyes decide if there are differences. Anyway not really interested anymore to debate the issue. Have a good day. Steve.
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 Hi all , I just try to live my life treating others as i would like to be treated, i find it works well . All the best Audiophool .
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Very philosophic of you, may the mirth continue!
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John-Grow up you silly little fascist. Your post reveals EVERYTHING about you and everyone on this forum should be advised of your pathetic insane ranting so they can immediately ignore everything you say about cables. MODERATORS????? PS my systems bigger than your system hahaha
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John-Grow up you silly little fascist. Your post reveals EVERYTHING about you and everyone on this forum should be advised of your pathetic insane ranting so they can immediately ignore everything you say about cables.
Even if John is a "silly little fascist" as you so delightfully put it, it doesn't affect the truth of what he says about cables. What do you say about cables? Does replacing the standard mains leads with foo ones make a difference? Is £800 a reasonable price for an interconnect costing less than £30 to manufacture?
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The truth??? OMG another one haha
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Mo jo, like so many when cornered with the truth you either accuse the messenger of being insane or simply run away, and it seems, accuse the messenger on the way. Now check out your history a fascist is not someone out to enlighten you with the truth, I say what I do in the knowledge that it is true, I am not out to 'have a go' or to be radical, but simply to state my experiances in the Hi Fi world, and I have to say they seem at odds with many others, but there is only one truth , the fact that James Randi has offered a million dollars to any one who can reliably tell the difference between two cables is quite telling, so if you are so confidant then go get your million. Back in the days when I had money to burn I personally offered £1000 to anyone who could distinguish two cables, but no one came forward. I wonder why... John...
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A fascist rams his opinions down everones throats-irrespective of dissenting voices- certain they know what is and isnt true. You are just such a fascist-and a slightly deaf one at that who the hell cares what James Randi thinks-seriously, is THAT your proof?????
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