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I've recently replaced my steel and glass Tech-Link rack with a gifted Custom Design Ikon rack. The Ikon rack uses a wood and steel frame and a non-resonant laminate known as i-rap. Though rather cynical about certain products, I have been astonished by the improvement in sound. It's as though a veil has been lifted away revealing tighter and more realistic sound with a wider and deeper soundstage.

My kit comprises Clearaudio Emotion and Graham Slee Gram Amp 2SE, Rega Apollo, Naim Nac 82 plus Nap 180, KIMBER 8TC and assorted interconnects incl, Nordost Blue Heaven and Chord.

Why such a big improvement? What are the physics?

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Hi Steve,

Your experiences are not uncommon and there would appear to be something in this.  Like yourself I use a combination of wood & tubular steel while acknowledging that glass is the material of choice in many popular racks - especially the thicker gauge stuff.  There are those who decry tubular steel as conferring an "unnatural" sound when in conjunction with glass (Mana Acoustics, and Russ Andrews are 2 examples) but consider the case of the time tested Rega Planar turntables which used glass close to the most critical interface in a hifi system, the cartridge (by using glass platters) and ended up with a highly acclaimed product (!)

Like yourself, having noticed the effects, many years ago I tried a few simple experiments involving dampers and supports, oddly enough using an amplifier not dissimilar to yours - Naim Pre/Power/PSU. The most susceptible items were the Naim amps that employed extruded casework.  I repeated one of these Trials as a Blind Test for the benefit of the Forum. This involved putting a simple damper on top of a CD player to illustrate that some form of microphony exists.  The Blind Test - conducted with an impartial listener, was 100% successful. (You should be aware that Official Blind Tests need 1000s of participants and a statistical success rate of >80% - a bit like our AVR Cable Blind Test, which is going to use 6 people )   Now this does not suggest that any modern components are microphonic, but it is scientific fact that conductors, such as PCB traces or wirebonds, or indeed non-microphonic components, could vibrate at AF in the same way as the electrodes in a valve, but within a complex soup of magnetic/electrostatic fields, or perish the thought , the Earths (mind you not all casework is steel).  Once you factor in specific resonances and tuned frequencies such as those presented by glass, steel & rubber and the rationalisations (and the "sound-effects") do start to look/sound more interesting?

Personally, I'm satisfied that my own experiences, and those of the Blind Test are sufficient reason to believe that there may be better mechanical synergy possible within a given system.  Especially if an analogue turntable is involved, then appropriate support is more of an imperative than an option.

Hope this is helpful.

Kind regards, Bill.


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