I also recorded an observation about this page-stretching phenomenon on the music Thread. It seems to reset itself when the next page on the Thread opens.
The reason may be that Dave doesn't want us to see any of these horrible Cable Ads on the RHS of the current page
You are clearly thinking with a Designers heart my friend........The reason you don't consider cable capacitance a problem is because you don't believe in badly designed amplifiers whose output is capacitance sensitive (had you been a vintage Naim amp user in past years, you may have thought differently!)
Inductance is a perceived problem by Electrostat users but only reportedly so....I've shortened my "multi-stranded" - but low C cables - and achieved what I consider to be a good result....so....in the end, I'm slightly open minded about the whole thing.....
Yes right Bill I do think with a 'designers heart' because that is what I am, if Naim can design an amp so badly that the cable matters then that is clearly their problem and not really a cable problem. If I were to make a kettle that worked fine on 240V but not at all at 220V then I could hardly blame the supply companies. As for inductance, perceived or not there is little we can do about it, OK shunt two cables together and reduce it by two, get a thicker cable and reduce it by two but you will never get rid of it.
Sorry mate inductance is one of those pesky inconveniences of life, we may not want it but it is simply part of the universe we live in just like gravity, fun to not have but we're stuck with it. Much as I would like to redesign the universe, sorry 'no can do', I know my limits.
John - do you remember that some time in the past I mentioned to you my belief that certain amplifiers were designed in such a way as to make them intentionally sensitive to external factors such as cabling?
Your response was that no company could possibly be that stupid.
So it appears not all amplifier with a good Naim are the best, one of the vital ingredients that Quad used in it's amplifier design was that it would be stable under all load conditions and amps like the 303 and 405 were but then they would have to be, after all driving a full range electrostatic is far more difficult than a length of wire. Sorry Naim you got that a bit wrong, but I hear that it is a marketing idea, we will take your old unit and 'upgrade it' yer right, because we got it wrong in the first place. No no of course not sir it is because we have found a new strain of silicon that is so much faster than conventional transistors etc. and we are ever so generous here, we will offer you at least £50 back on your old amp, but sorry prices are up now but for this week only we can offer model XXX at less than a thousand. Wow I am drooling now, sorry guys that is simply my imagination. I really know nothing about Naim, come to think of it I know nothing about that company in the lakes, come to think of it I really know nothing at all so I will shut up.
Sorry Pluto I seem to have put up a reply before seeing the question. I would like to say that situation is the very height of telepathy, but I don't think so in this case.
I think your right, against my better judgement it seems that some amp designs are deliberately 'on the edge' however that simply puts them in the 'bad design' pile despite their 'good naim', sorry was that a spelling mistake.
I think it time for someone to write the definitive book on Hi Fi, the ultimate reference guide, the signature of sound, unfortunately very few would read it. I know lets put an absurdly high price on it, that would give it panache, say £300 a copy, now that would get the book sellers going and probably make it instantly colletible just as those silly teddy bears were. Copies could then be traded on their rarity value alone just like those silly teddy bears were.
Oh my God Bill, you are just so realistic and so 'down to earth', I'm only having a joke. In reality you would find more genuine information about Hi Fi by searching the web and certainly a lot more truth than reading the mags. Marketing is like a theoretical model to make money, truth - forget that, reality - forget that, now lets concentrate on desire, ambition and aspiration, now we are getting there. Here is an area to earn out of, marketing is simply playing with peoples emotions and it is done so subtly that we never realise in the same way as insurance is sold on peoples insecurities, offereing 'feel good factor' at a price.
In reality I don't think the cable scam is so much worse than any other, it is just that they all do it, some are more transparent, some appear more technical, but they are all scams.
The Web could/will put a lot of magazines out of business....in fact many have switched to becoming web-zines....with quite a few new web publications emerging - not unlike AVR.
If you could only hear the warmth and humour in my voice when you read my previous reply you would know I'm not nearly as serious as it looks.....
The smileys help, but as you've probably pointed out in the past it's a difficult thing to convey to others by text and similarly you too have had situations where you've been much misunderstood .
Just borrowed Keb Mo "Suitcase" ( blues) and the bass drum and bass guitar will nearly knock you over, its got a cracking presence , if you can get hold of a copy, give it a listen,( just thought - you havent got a CD player?)
I've decided not to purchase those USA speaker cables for the time being, as being doing some more band stuff and funds are being diverted there, funny enough looking at better bass cabs.
Also Bel Canto advised that their 300 series wouldn't be a perfect match for the Quads (now that's honest of them?) but they are bringing out a new range soon that will be.
Thanks for the recommendation my friend, sounds interesting, I will investigate
Contrary to popular belief I'm not that far behind the times...I do have a Universal player
I also have a new recommendation....The Portico Quartet "Knee Deep in the North Sea" (Modern Jazz) - an excellent showpiece for the Quads.....
On the cable front it may be worth trying out shortened low capacitance cables with a decent cross-sectional area....(you could save some money) ...although reminding myself that your speakers are much further apart than mine....
On the subject of Hifi vs room interactions, I'm continually finding adjustments to the room furnishings which make a difference...even as recently as the last week....
Getting the L/R speakers to match each other perfectly on white/pink noise both timbrally/tonally and in terms of volume is a balance which can be easily upset without realising it.
I found that even adjusting soft furnishings which were not in the central field but the outer fields (near the side walls at the back of the room) could either upset or restore the balance. Fortunately my listening room is fairly clean and simple so I can "tune" the problem out fairly fast.
People using Stats for the first time might actually mistake this for a low output fault in one Stat, a faulty HT power supply etc...when in fact the room is the sole culprit...
Hi Bill I suppose my funishing isnt perfect with the side of a corner unit impacting the the listening position to a small degree form LH speaker (although its about 4-5 ft away) but apart from ensuring that all doors are closed, the blinds are drawn and speakers positioned relative to each other then this doesn't get in the way of things for me.
I have a carpeted floor on top of concrete, I wouldn't personally like to have to have too "live" a floor surface.
Regards
PS I thought you had might of had a CD player there somewhere but couldn't remember for
On paper my room would normally be considered fairly resonant - with a solid concrete floor and a floating wooden floor on top of it (not where the hifi stands though - I've created a little staging area here which allows the full benefit of a solid floor to be realised) with no rug between my listening position and the speakers.
Actually there is no sign of this reflective capability. I would have thought the bass drivers - being about 1 Foot off the floor might be a problem but the effect is fine, surprisingly!
Hello All,my listening room consists of,Hi-Fi at one end,near the rear windows,speakers at the other end,slightly toed in about 4.5 metres apart and about 250mm from rear and side walls,and the seating area about 7-8 metres from the speakers,with the system about the same distance in the rear,and thats about it,i know youre going to say it must sound a bit odd with maybe some echo,but it doesnt,maybe its the trannies,but i have found that the more people there are in the room,the deader the sound seems or maybe its me............Take Care All.........Dave
Hi Dave that is some listening distance from the speakers, also I note there isnt much space between speakers and rear wall, but then again I know very little about the perfiormnce attibutes/charactristics of your speakers and opimum placement etc . Did you try different placement options when you first got them?
The room will sound deader with more bodies in it (pun not intended) and as you have a large listending room you will notice this more so maybe the room does need taming a little?
Regards
PS I hope you're coping better with the Big "D" now?
I'm not too bad for distance lengthwise.....a 27 ft long space but the width varies between 12 - 13 ft. Fortunately the speakers sound best with the speakers close together (only 6.75ft apart) but my listening position is much closer than you would expect at about 8 ft from the speaker plane.
This means that primary sounds are always arriving early at the ears while phantom sounds end up taking the long way around by which time they have decayed slightly and are delayed by over 10mS longer. The focussed directionality of line sources really helps here....
....The reason you don't consider cable capacitance a problem is because you don't believe in badly designed amplifiers whose output is capacitance sensitive (had you been a vintage Naim amp user in past years, you may have thought differently!)
